Excellent.

I have some of the maps you sent me, but there are some new ones as well. Thanks for pointing out Merekyula present day map. It was an interesting engagement and there is a posibility that I will include this battle in my chapter (right now i'm working Lilienbach).

Thank you.

OK. First regarding the names, i'm familiar with different spellings of Narva. However, since the text will be in English I used Narva for town and Narwa when referring to German army group/detachment. Regarding Narova - no problem.

Pukhova and Auga - OK.

One question:

I need some clarifications:

1. Popovka - correct location?

2. What's the name of the settlement here? Also there seems to be a bridge there, but I didn't find any information.

3. Lilienbach - correct location?

4. Oherovaya Gorka (spelling?) - correct location?

Reason i'm asking is, there was a Soviet attack here in March. 63rd Guards Division attacked Dutch SS. Apparently and German sources, Soviet tanks advanced towards the bridge in the south. However, if there was a bridge near Popovka it would have been closer for the tanks to move to. It doesn't make much sense, so i'm curios was there a bridge in that ??? settlement.

Soviet sources also mention the battle (i'm still reading them) but there is no mention of direction of tank attack.

Three more questions:

1. Lilienbach area is described as forested by Soviets and Germans, yet in those aerial pictures mostly show farm fields with forest to the north, south and in Lilienbach but not to the east. So which is correct?

2. Lilienbach and Oherovaya Gorka (as well as those small farms scattered around) what type of buildings? Stone, wooden etc?

3. German maps you sent to me they are from Tieke's book?

Very good.

Regarding the artillery: yes it seems Izvoz was the site of artillery fire. Those 152 mm had a range of 12 km to 17 km, depending on a model. So if 122's were firing from Izvoz, then 152mm would be nearby as well. Though they moved the artillery closer as the battle progressed.

Uzbek

I've read this link yesterday:

http://bey.livejournal.com/279560.html

Nice link. 

This link:

http://historic.ru/books/item/f00/s00/z … t066.shtml

Good information, I didn't know large part of it. However, I prefer to leave out political dealings from my work. I focus primarily on military engagements and the way they were conducted. No offense meant against you Uzbek. You have my respect.

Further and this is just to avoid potential conflicts or misunderstandings: only reason i'm mapping Narva battle is that I consider it to be an interesting battle, from a military perspective and because it hasn't been covered in Blitzkrieg in detail. That's the same reason why I made Belgrade offensive, Petsamo and Division Azul. My family suffered a lot at the hands of the Nazis and their Yugoslav collaborators (read Chetniks, Nedic militia, Ljotic militia, Ustashe etc). AlexGENERAL_Z knows about my attitude towards them, cause it was included in some info I gave him. So he can confirm my story. Also USSR and by extension Russia has my gratitude, because it was them who helped liberate my country in 1944-1945. That is a debt that can't be re-payed.

Therefore I'm not a Nazi nor do I intend to glorify Nazism. So please,  don't get me wrong, don't consider me as one. In any case if I offended you in any way Uzbek, it wasn't my intention and i apologize for it.

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EDIT: I didn't see the info about Estonian Guards Rifle corps. Thank you for those information as well.

Отредактировано Tedi88 (2015-03-17 03:22:16)

OK. You guys know what you should do. I don't want to interfere with it. Regarding the info from him: of course, I always check information if they are unreliable I don't use them. I was mostly inquiring about geographical info, so that I can replicate it in game.

Once again thanks for the info, warning and fine wishes. Respect. 

Btw, sorry for going off topic.

Отредактировано Tedi88 (2015-03-17 03:36:49)

OK. I have the files.

Yes it's clearer now. Thanks for additional info. Cool map (1860). 

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ОК. У меня есть файлы.

Да, это яснее. Спасибо за дополнительную информацию. Прохладный карта (1860).    - translated by Google Translate.

1. Very good.

2. Not for now I have a lot of information about it (literary and few maps). Reason I asked is clarification. Some maps don't show Auvere while others do. If you have any prewar maps of the region (similar to Narva) or aerial photos, please post them (I only have military maps).

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1. Очень хорошо.

2. Не для меня теперь есть много информации о нем (литературные и несколько карт). Причина я спросил это разъяснение. Некоторые карты не показывают Аувере в то время как другие делают. Если у вас есть какие-либо довоенные карты региона (похожие на Нарвы) или аэрофотоснимков, пожалуйста, напишите их (у меня только военные карты). --- - translated by Google Translate.

Tapi

First of all thank you for additional info. I already had a lot of these, including Tieke's book "Tragedy of the faithful".

Next I know that "Battle of European SS" is a propaganda name, therefore i'm not using it to describe battle of Narva. Argument is following (from the link you sent me, I had a similar table, but this one is somewhat better):

There were only 25000 SS soldiers present at Narva on 1st of March and over 98000 Wehrmacht and police troops on that same date. Therefore I would prefer if we refer to this battle as battle of Narva.

Second thing, this table:

is wrong. It's impossible that the Germans had so few loses at the time of a major attack on Ivangorod bridgehead. Worse, attack continued after 13th of March and table for that is missing + it's a signal that this table is suspicious.

This table, about loses is also wrong: 

In particular, loses for Nordland and 225th Infantry Division are way off. No chance that they only suffered 79 and 71 men lost, and the Soviets suffered 800 men minimum in those sectors.

So generally those tables must be wrong, or the Germans used "god-mode" cheat.

Maps posted are excellent though. That forum link where above mentioned tables were found, also had a nice collection of order of battle of German units. I had that as well but it confirmed my information.

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Tapi

Прежде всего спасибо за дополнительной информацией. Я уже много из них, включая книги Tieke в "Трагедия верен".

Затем я знаю, что "Битва Европейского СС" является пропаганда имя, поэтому я его не используете, чтобы описать Нарвском сражении. Аргумент следующий (по ссылке вы мне прислали, я имел подобную таблицу, но это немного лучше):

Были только 25000 солдат СС, присутствующие на Нарву 1-го марта, и более 98000 вермахта и войск Полиции в тот же день. Поэтому я бы предпочел, чтобы мы ссылаемся на этот бой как Нарвском сражении.

Вторая вещь, эта таблица:

это неправильно. Это невозможно, чтобы немцы так мало теряет в то время крупной атаки на Ивангород плацдарм. Хуже того, атака продолжалась и после 13 марта и в таблице, которая отсутствует + это сигнал, что эта таблица является подозрительным.

Эта таблица, о теряет тоже неправильно:

В частности, проигрывает 225-й стрелковой дивизии Нордланд и далеко. Не случайно, что они только пострадали 79 и 71 мужчин не потерял, а Советы потерпели 800 человек минимум в этих секторах.

Так обычно эти таблицы должны быть неверна, или немцы использовали "режим бога" обмануть. : D

Карты отвечал отлично, хотя. Эта связь форум, где были найдены упомянутые выше таблицы, также имел хорошую коллекцию боевой порядок немецких подразделений. У меня было, что хорошо, но он подтвердил мою информацию. - translated by google translate

OK. Then my sources about La-7 are wrong. I stand corrected.

Than you.

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ОК. Тогда мои источники о La-7 не правы. Я признаю ошибку.

Чем вас.